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42 minutes ago, TSU88 said:

2012-13 season. Since then?

“Doesn’t matter. They did it once. This is Towson, not duke or unc or even Maryland. Just be happy we have a team. Who would you even hire if he got canned? It takes two teams to schedule. He’s one player away. Next year”

1 hour ago, griggey20 said:

Downplaying a win vs a power 5 school coming off a 1-31 season is pretty hilarious.  I don't care how good or bad they were. 

I agree. That was by far the best win. Across the country. Down double digits. Off to a bad start on the season. We were like 3-5 or something at that time and it catapulted to like a 15-5 finish   

25 minutes ago, Bay Area Tiger said:

?  We built a new arena for what!?  

Games against Bryn Anthe and Goucher.

36 minutes ago, TTiger2024 said:

yikes; here we go again.  maybe i was looking for more inside player/coach/school stuff info, and/or more positive vibes from this site in general and to learn about other teams and a bit of history (G Neal thing is very cool)......but, OMG.  do y'all get the Vegas/Kenprom lines/stats thing?  Tigers were 9pt dawgs....who was really expecting a win AT Vermont?  Would have been nice /Great...but the other BETTER team was trying too i promise u.  (Now, i would have LOVED that delayed plane info BEFORE the game, but thats a diff story)    but wake me if we lose AT HOME v UMBC; or other games we are "suppose to win" otherwise  - the " all players and coaches stink/should be fired . (AD too? lol)" thing is CRAZY.  As this season goes so far, we are where you'd (reasonably!) think we'd be.....so why the panic?  really.  we are playin good teams, on the road, instead of the dog crap ones.  (mybe im not jaded enough?)  Gonzaga it aint (nor App St for Football, and fields/arenas aint gonna do it).  Hope for improvement during league play - and see where the tournament goes.  All others: on campus Counseling Center takes walk-ins M-F, 8-5 

Oh man. 2024, so I guess it makes sense. A lot of us here have seen the same old story year and year out with hoops and football, and it seems like you have not.

"8.5 point dawg" and got run out of the gym by 20, while not even breaking 40 points is embarrassing.  The teams we have played this year (I don't count the major two teams as those are expected L's), have been; Bad, a Bad D3, Solid MM, Solid MM, Bad, Awful and Solid MM. Those views are off of watching the games, seeing the teams play multiple games, and your Kenpom.  So the 3 really tough games that were evenly matched, we blew a late lead in a tight game at home in OT, hacked up a lead with 1.45 left on a neutral court and got smoked on the road. These are the types of teams we will play in conference where every point matters and comes down to a single possession, where we don't have the coaching, and go to player to win the close ones.

31 minutes ago, TSU88 said:

Ok, the numbers may be a little off, but, since 2012-13, we are 32W vs 78L when we score less than 70ppg. Conversely, during that same period of time, we are 94W vs 29L when we score 70 or more ppg.

Moral to the story: recruit better scorers and less “try hard, bang the boards & play hard-nosed D” guys

I think everyone is missing the point... The first year we needed to play that style because we didn't have the players and skills. This team has some guys who can score and can shoot. We are not going to score 80 a game, but Fobbs, Betrand, Sanders can score a bit. It's the coaching and philosophy that's the problem. Rarely do we switch defenses. Rarely do we show a press or even a token press (even with a stopped clock and 5 seconds left, we let them roll the ball up! Infuriating! Make them catch it moving away from your hoop!). Rarely do we run or push the pace, this is especially bad, since we do typically play good defense and create lots of misses. Rarely do we run good sets that result in a good shot. We run late crap, like horns, which leads to at best a 1-1 contested shot.

Just look how easy it is for teams to get good looks off us as we over-rotate many times. They don't work particular hard for good looks, especially down low. Players get lost and free for high percentage shots. We always have to work incredibly hard for semi-decent looks. Always have, always will.  Is some of it the players, not moving the ball enough and quick enough? Absolutely. But at some point that's on the leadership to change that culture/selfishness issue. Is some of it on the coaching staff for not calling great plays to run? Absolutely. 

Fun stat. Since the 2012-13 season, we are 19-15 when holding opposing teams to less than 58 points a game. I would venture to say that is probably the worst winning % in the country. 

22 hours ago, Bay Area Tiger said:

You’d think Neal is helping with shoot arounds!?

I’m not even gonna touch the travel situation.  
 

What I sense now and what my gut tells me is that we are a group of individual players and not a program.  
Years ago we felt like a program meaning we had guys like Guthrie & Parker-Rivera who came to play every day and who brought a strong vibe to the program etc. 

I’m not in the locker room and have no clue how chemistry truly is however your upperclassmen are supposed to lead us and by all means these guys are not Pros so a bad game once in a while by an individual is understood. 
 

But ultimately I agree with many of you..  we aren’t recruiting the right mix of players and not having at least one exceptional shooter on the team is unacceptable.  That being said we need to see the entire season.  
 

I hate comparing programs but I’m in USF’s backyard watching their games and beating Cal this past week was a mix of 3 point shooting and superior defensive adjustments.  They went 1-3-1 to start the second half and it did wonders.  
 

Skerry is a class act and righted the ship for us.   Rex Walters did the exact same thing while at USF but they had to move to Kyle Smith who in turn ran off “3” 20 win seasons in a row.  
 

I know the extension etc.  $$$

We should be having more success with a new arena etc.  Just continue to shit our pants. 
 

It is truly the time of the Mid Major Program and yet we seem stuck..   Need a fresh young mind to take over with a new approach.  
 

Worth the risk now although I haven’t thought that the past 3-4 seasons. 
 

 

Can't have a shoot around when you arrive just before the game! HAHAHA

It's the same cycle EVERY single year: Slight optimism, Beat local teams, lay some stinkers with no offense, player leaves program, blow late leads, lack of creativity offensively and adjustments, No Alpha on the team, go on a 3-4 game strong run middle of CAA play, peak and go back to struggling towards the end, first round CAA exit, Excuses from TL and PS lovers (wait for next season), PS excuse of "just 5-8 close losses defined the season, new players come in, slight optimism returns. 

RINSE WASH REPEAT. It's literally the same thing every year.

12 hours ago, TigerFan54 said:

Apart from scoring, we were hoping Gibson would be our version of UNCW's Toews, who was a freshman last year. But they are light-years apart. Toews was/is a solid feeder. I haven't seen any of that from JG.

UNCW also ran a pretty high powered offense and he penetrated and had players to kick it out to.

We have needed this for years.. It's the same cycle over and over again.

2 hours ago, towson2006 said:

Uhhh who could forget that big win over East Tennessee State after taking out USC-Upstate in 2014? Seriously though this isn’t a Pat Skerry thing. Since we moved to DI in 1980 what is our signature OOC win? Louisville in 1996? 

Well the program was dreadful from mid 90's to 2012, so...  We have been close a number of times, and have leads late and then in typical Towson fashion, choke it up.  

To be fair, you also have to schedule good/decent OOC games, to get wins. But we are Towson and content on playing Morgan, Coppin, UMBC, Loyola and D3's every year... YAWN

10 hours ago, mat1992 said:

 How did that George Mason snow game go in 2012 since you're such an expert on travel.

I'll give you one thing. Scoring 38 points in a basketball game, rough travel or not, was inexcusable. 

It was 2011. And it was miserable. Leaving at 2 for a 7pm game in fairfax is inexcusable. 

If the plane couldn’t take off.. get a damn bus. 

You have to try and try really hard to only score 38 in a game. Vermont isn’t uva. Numerous sub 50 point games under skerry is ridiculous and embarrassing 

10 hours ago, mat1992 said:

 How did that George Mason snow game go in 2012 since you're such an expert on travel.

I'll give you one thing. Scoring 38 points in a basketball game, rough travel or not, was inexcusable. 

It was 2011. And it was miserable. Leaving at 2 for a 7pm game in fairfax is inexcusable. 

If the plane couldn’t take off.. get a damn bus. 

You have to try and try really hard to only score 38 in a game. Vermont isn’t uva. Numerous sub 50 point games under skerry is ridiculous and embarrassing 

13 minutes ago, AtlantaTiger said:

How fragile a team must Towson be that a few less hours of sleep or one less shoot-around amounts to a 38 point performance?  Johns Hopkins could probably find a way to score 38.  We don't need any apologists for this program or this head coach.  This is most likely a 12 or 13 win Towson team in 2019/2020.  Enough is enough.  Skerry is a classy guy and an outstanding individual with regard to his philanthropic efforts.....too bad he is a subpar D1 head basketball coach.

Ivies do it.  It’s another excuse by the old timers on here.  Play better

38 points?! Half this board could shoot that. If this program wasn’t below average it could be an excuse.  Leave earlier. 7pm on a Friday ?when classes end by noon latest. Come on. We used to fly out by 1. 

Don’t fly up day of game? That could help. We are d1 sheesh.  38 points is fucking embarrassing 

38 points lol  loss number 25 under ps allowing under 60

I’m sure they both will play. B Interesting that we flew up day of game.

Good win

This will be a tough one. They have some players missing time and stats look like they aren’t a great 3 point shooting team. Maybe mix some zone in again 

Shocker!

I'm not going to get into it with our resident sports management professor, but college is expensive and the athletics fees suck. But 2006, your employer nickle and dimes its students for almost everything (as does every other college), and there are some fee's for services that other students don't use buy are stuck paying.

Fees per year of similar and conference schools:

Towson $998 in state $956 out of state (2019)

University of Maryland $812 (2018)

William & Mary $1,980 per year (2018)

James Madison $2,058 (2019)

VCU $828 (2018 not sure if per semester or yearly)

College of Charleston $1,236 (2016)

UNCW $750 (2017)

George Mason $1,752 (2019; other items included, not solely athletics)

UMBC $1,074 (2017)

Univ of Albany $582 (2017)

Univ of New Hampshire $1,075 (2019)

Stony Brook $572 (2019)

2 hours ago, towson2006 said:

That office is largely staffed by interns...e.g students who are paying for the privilege to work for free to sell tickets to teams that they pay for in student fees in stadia that they pay for in student fees in return for academic credit. Oh yes and by doing a job for free that someone should get paid to do they also undercut their entry level salaries...Do you really think they care about one of the 274 season ticket holders needs? Would you? I get that it sucks not to get the care you should for the money you pay but that’s going on as well.

Maybe doing the grunt work, but not the actual ticket staff that are to be calling. They typically have 2-3 that are not interns, however there is high turnover in that.

1 hour ago, towson2006 said:

This thread asked for ideas so how about the athletic department makes a big deal out of the fact that the games are not actually free to students but that they are paying $2100/year for SECU and to be season ticket holders for every single team on campus? Instead of looking at it as the games being “free” maybe more students would be inclined to go if they looked at it as “well I’m paying for it anyway may as well go”? 

$2,100?? Are you speaking of student athletic fees?

Game Tuesday against UMBC. A team, most fans/students, know due to locality and the NCAA tournament. What are they doing to put butts in the seat and promote this game? Crickets?

15 hours ago, TSU86 said:

I have reached out to the ticket office 3-4 times in the last 2-3 weeks asking if the flex plan will be available for men’s BB — no response at all !!!

i am pissed !!!! In the business world, this is unacceptable. They must have art students running things 

Not surprising. No promotions, no advertisements, awful ticket office (I had to call them numerous times to renew my season tickets that I've had for 6+ years!). Seems like they put all their eggs in one basket, for the Villanova football game (which they did a great job for that one, and it worked as the crowd was very good), and then nothing for the rest of the season or for hoops.

3 minutes ago, sr16 said:

Its not about not caring about sports.... Its a cycle and we are not breaking it.. I tried but only moved the needle as we had internal forces which we all know about (school admin) roadblock us. When I was a freshman in 2012 everyone in our dorm went to the first couple of football games. Then what happens is you meet sophomores + older students and they could not give one f about our sports programs (actually other than Lax I found & the Temple game). On weekends at parties, sports are on the TV ie college basketball/football. Its our own issue. Its a cycle which we need to break. Cant only target freshman because they follow the lead of older classes

It's both. Attendance at 95% of sporting events, pro or college, is down. That is a fact.  The University does a bad job promoting and the students don't care/won't care. That's also a fact. Baltimore and Maryland itself is not a great sports area. It just isn't.  UMBC coming off the UVA upset, and a brand new arena, barely average 1,450 people last year.  Maryland is (and it pains me to say) very good and even they aren't drawing.